Sunroom Addition

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jwesevich
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Sunroom Addition

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Sometime in the early '20s, a Swedish ship captain apparently bought our place, and redid it in Colonial Revival, adding a vapor steam system, and knocking out a wall and adding a sunroom while he was at it.

The wood storms over the sunroom windows have been screwed down since time immemorial, and the windows painted shut apparently just as long. :( Most of the hardware is gone, except for one window:
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Since there's zero ventilation in the sunroom, next spring's project will be to get things working again. One question though--the screens? Our casement windows in Montreal had inner screens, and I thought that might have been the case here, but there's no place for them.

Anyone have any ideas? (Wood shades are from the PO)

thanks, as always,
jeff
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SkipW
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Re: Sunroom Addition

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1) do you plan on keeping the blinds?
2) are you married to the adjusters, or could fixed openers be OK?

Reason I ask is the blinds are a bit in the way for an interior screen it seems. You can add a parting bead where you could install a single screen but the blinds would have to be removed or brought an inch or two into the room...might not be the best look :? Obviously, hinged screens would not work with them there.

If you used a fixed opener, possibly you could have a smaller clearance to make in the bottom of the screen or none at all if you use a hook that is attached to the sill between the screen and window. Otherwise, maybe you could relieve the bottom of the screen and use fuzzies to ride over the adjusters and keep bugs out. Or, if it would operate OK, move the adjuster base toward the window, allowing sceens to fit inside....

Just some quick thoughts
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triguy128
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Re: Sunroom Addition

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Do you need screen in RI? The bugs are think out here in the midwest, but I thought maybe the East Coast as with much of the West Coast it wasn't really nessesary. I know is Europe, in hotels I stayed at in both France and Germany, there were no screens and I have very few insect visitors.
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donoinmass
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Re: Sunroom Addition

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Unfortunately, bugs in New England are pretty bad in the summer - black flies in the late spring, mosquitos in the summer, flies...all the fun stuff. I wish no screens were needed, that would be AWESOME! :)
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jwesevich
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Re: Sunroom Addition

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Yep, as donoinmass notes, it aint Florida, but screens are a must. Thanks for the suggestions Skip--we may end up switching shades anyway, since they're huge, heavy, and difficult to open.

Otoh, these things have been painted shut for so long, it make take all summer to get a couple of them working, which will solve the problem for another year. :-) I'll have to research and see if I can find what the captain was thinking...there must be a piece I'm missing.

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Re: Sunroom Addition

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I just don't see how those were ever intended to use with screens. I think they tolerated a few bugs and perhaps kerosene lanterns kept them away. Maybe 100 years ago the bug issue wasn't as bad with more natural wilderness around. People also wore more clothing, and perhaps gas lights and kerosene lamps kept the bugs at bay.
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pqtex
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Re: Sunroom Addition

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How about a screen insert used much like an interior storm...the kind that is friction mount inside the window casing? You'd open the window first, then insert the screen inside the interior window frame...between the blinds and the open window.
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jwesevich
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Re: Sunroom Addition

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Pqtex, I had someone tell me that's how it was done originally. I really can't tell if that's a workable possibility until I get the storm off, and the paint all cracked so I can open one up. I was very surprised that the hardware extended so far back towars the end of the sill because the notch that's on the inner side of the stops looks like a natural for a screen. Otoh, I don't know if they're actually in the right place, as that is the only pair that's left.

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pqtex
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Re: Sunroom Addition

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I bought a Window Zipper after someone here posted about them. It makes short work of "unzipping" the paint sealed windows! I bought mine from Ace Hardware. Very inexpensive.
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Vaso7
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Re: Sunroom Addition

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My casement windows all have inside screens that are mounted on hinges and they open to the inside. The hinges have removable pins so they could be removed in the winter (if you have that kind of time) or could be swapped with inside storms (I have only 2 sets of those, I wish I had 50....).
I think they would cost about 100$ (Boston prices) each to have someone make the frames and then you can finish the rest...
How many do you have? 1, 2 ? :lol:
I am laughing because I am sure you have a lot more than that and what sounds like easy for one or two might be daunting for 10....

And surprising I do not have a single good picture of the inside of my windows... Hard to believe.
Anyway, here is one of the bathroom that you can see the screens.

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