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Re: Before/After of trash finds and furniture fix ups!

Postby Abuela on Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:04 pm

Can't tell if there are any holes - nothing visible on top and to get inside it right now would require a level of physical dexterity that I just don't have at the moment (and which my doctor would likely frown on anyway, considering I'm headed for cervical spine surgery in less than two weeks!).

The drawers aren't dovetailed -- it looks like round pegs -- I'll try to take a picture later.
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Re: Before/After of trash finds and furniture fix ups!

Postby James on Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:49 pm

You mean curved on one side with a round peg thru the middle of the curved part, going into the drawer front? Have heard that called Jenny Lind dovetailing, sure it has a more formal name. Usually dates a piece to the last quarter of the 19th century.
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Re: Before/After of trash finds and furniture fix ups!

Postby sooth on Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:12 pm

Oooh, nice! Hard to believe what people toss away. It's probably a very nice wood under the paint. Possibly Walnut, Elm, or Birch. I agree with the turn of the last century date (around 1900). The skirt at the bottom is especially nice.
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Re: Before/After of trash finds and furniture fix ups!

Postby downtowndahlgren on Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:44 pm

Oh good, Abuela. If the little circles have kind of scalloped edges in front of them on the sides, that is called "pin and cove" dovetailing and pretty much dates the piece to late Victorian. I thought it might be from the drawer pulls anyway.
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Re: Before/After of trash finds and furniture fix ups!

Postby Abuela on Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:16 pm

Well, I finally found my camera but now my niece and her boyfriend are crashed in that room, so I'm not going to displace them in order to take a pic. I'll take one tomorrow, though!
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Re: Before/After of trash finds and furniture fix ups!

Postby cadrad on Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:49 pm

I would date it more like mid 1870's with those carved pulls. it is pre eastlake influence in the renaissance revival style. You may find it was originally two toned.
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Re: Before/After of trash finds and furniture fix ups!

Postby Abuela on Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:48 pm

OK, here's the side of the drawer, showing the round pegs - the one peg looks like a screw in this pic but it's just the peg:

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While I was at it, I took a pic of inside the dresser with the drawer out:

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And since someone asked about what the remaining parts of the top looked like from underneath:

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I don't know if this makes sense (or just proves how little I know) but this just doesn't FEEL that old, both because of how light the unfinished wood is inside, and because it's so physically light.
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Re: Before/After of trash finds and furniture fix ups!

Postby sooth on Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:04 pm

I did a quick search on your corner joints (I have seen them before on my father's Eastlake Hall Tree). I found this: Handmade dovetails were replaced by the Knapp joint, which is a machine joint using a round peg. The Knapp joint essentially disappeared by 1900 when the machine made dovetail finally replaced it.

If you Google search "Knapp Joint" you will find photos of the same kind of corner joint. They are quite sturdy, and neat looking. They are not considered a dovetail, but they are just as strong.
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Re: Before/After of trash finds and furniture fix ups!

Postby Abuela on Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:37 pm

The weird thing is, everything I see about the Knapp joint indicates that it is a peg and scallop, like this:

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I went back and looked to be sure, and even scraped some paint off of some of the front joints to be sure (plus checked all three drawers) and there is without question no scallop.

Could the Knapp joint be made without a scallop?
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Re: Before/After of trash finds and furniture fix ups!

Postby sooth on Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:56 pm

Umm, what do you mean by a scallop? A scallop is usually a shell shape (which would be very hard to make by machine). The example you posted (with the paint splatters) has little flat spaces in between the circles... is that what you mean? I have only ever seen the type w/o spaces, like this one here:

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Keep in mind that if you looked through Google photos, some of those are newer reproduction ones. Some even have curved portions and look like they were done by router, like this one here:
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Okay I see what you mean now. I looked at your photo again. The image you showed looked like it had small triangular circle marks, but those are just spots/dirt/shadows and more importantly this shows the *BACK* of the drawer! The Knapp Joint was mainly only ever used on the front of a drawer. What does the front of your drawer look like? Is it a triangular dovetail (I'm guessing not since you would have shown it), is it flat on the end but with a specialty slip joint if viewed from the top? Is it a hidden joint where there's a dovetail slipped from below (basically a full vertical hidden dovetail), or is it just nailed or pegged?

As for what we DO see, on the BACK, it appears to be a joint that basically works the same as the Knapp Joint, but it's only the peg portion since it's just a very thin back board. I don't know if this style of back has a specific name, but it's neat, and would be fairly easy to make. It's also very strong.
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